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d9eoead suggested an alternate narrative for Polonez's true motives:
* Polonez creates TSG alt entirely for attention (at the time, anons were incredibly hateful towards "silly culture", thus he wanted to reap the benefits of this hatred)
* Lime forms a relationship with TSG, roleplaying with him and establishing trust.
* Polonez decides to do something new: abandon the TSG alt, and feed into the new relationship, as it not only gave him recognition but also emotional gratification and allows him to escape from his past.
d9eoead supports this narrative with:
* Supposed "sex roleplays" between lime.owot and Polonez which d9eoead says he has the evidence for, but refuses to show it on account of "leaking dms".
** If these sex roleplays were true, lime.owot wouldn't actually do something as low as that, showing that Polonez is the primary instigator and he is forcing and grooming Lime to do these acts, driven by lust instead of love.
* Polonez completely abandons his old personality and essentially becomes a "bastardized version of Lime" (according to d9eoead). He further states that Lime is Polonez's shtick, emphasizing that Polonez is milking the relationship and building his entire identity around it for attention and escapism.
* Very frequent inappropriate jokes made by Polonez, showing he is using the relationship for attention.
** Lime also doesn't do anything to stop Polonez and often makes these inappropriate jokes himself.
A counter-argument Lime made was that Polonez had leaked his face and address to him, questioning d9eoead's proposed narrative as Polonez being a manipulator. d9eoead pointed out that this feeds into his hypothesis for Polonez's motives being escapism, saying that Polonez is trying incredibly hard to run away and find a new identity using Lime to do it, further stating that it's not true love but instead driven by cowardice and selfishness.
== this isn't likely ==
first off, tsg wasn't even ''"abandoned"'', he was ''exposed''. it's more likely that he just didn't need the alt anymore because of what he described (a mixture of attention grabbing and coming out as a bisexual furry) than what you described.

speaking of what you described, i don't think you know exactly what needs to be true for what you accuse me and polonez for to have happened.
* he is somehow comfortable cuddling with and kissing someone clearly not a girl as a straight person
* if your allegations for the sex roleplays are true, he is somehow comfortable ''having sexual roleplays'' with someone clearly not a girl as a straight person
** additionally, "he wouldn't do that" is not a valid argument here. i clearly think it's okay<small> and if it isn't, i have yet to understand why </small>as evidenced by me questioning you in depth in your dms about how it's going to lead to something catastrophic. so yes, i would do that.
* he is somehow comfortable interacting with queer and trans people on a daily basis (which he could have made excuses to get out of) and finding about the specifics of it (like the various definitions of bisexuality)
* he is somehow comfortable willingly joining a lgbtq+ vibe game (here's [https://roblox.com/games/6233078791/LGBTQ-Vibe|the one in question]) despite it being possible for him to make excuses to avoid it
and you still have yet to prove:
* how he's becoming "a bastardized version of me", given he still does these in his messages, despite me not using them (or not as often):
** uses the r slur
** uses "True..." as a response
** calls things "tuff" sarcastically
** He ''does not'' switch to using capitals and punctuation when he's being serious.
you're going to have to explain how the hell a racist homophobic transphobe would do anything like this just to get emotional validation off of me.

--[[User:&#45;lime.owotwiki|&#45;lime.owotwiki]] ([[User talk:&#45;lime.owotwiki|talk]]) 03:25, 8 June 2025 (EDT)

== counter arguments ==
* when tsg was exposed it was around the time when he no longer needed it, technically it would be abandoning it.
* "but he does gay stuff!!!" because you're his biggest connection and opportunity right now. if he fucks up, he loses you, and also why would be ever turn down something that would give him more attention?
* to someone like polonez, gender no longer matters anymore. as i've said before, **you're his biggest connection and opportunity**, so he can use that for emotional and sexual gratification.
* you can tell polonez is a very bad influence on you as you 1. fail to see why SEX roleplay between two minors is bad and 2. you say you WOULD do that. so sad that such an innocent pure soul like you is being massacred
* him using the r slur is a sign hes not truly changed.
* "True..." usage is also a sign
* "he calls things tuff sarcastically" is also a sign as hes not fully converted and still has the "edgy" sort of humor he had before
proving hes a bastardized version of you:
** RADICAL personality change from pre-lime (edgy shit sorta like tat but more chaotic) to post-lime (constantly meowing, using furry emoticons, talking about you CONSTANTLY)
** constantly meows
** constantly uses furry emoticons
** constantly talks about you
** constantly makes inappropriate jokes regarding you and the relationship between you and him
** down to the speech patterns like intentionally making typos
* you know how TSG was? yeah, that's polonez now. even after the exposal he hasnt changed a bit, personality-wise. he's a bastardized imitation of owot "silly culture" as a whole, which especially extends to you as you're (and as i've said before) his shtick.
* don't believe me? you can scrape through thousands of messages in goatway logs
"you're gonna have to explain to me how the hell a bad person can do something bad" lol what

also ik you're gonna paste all this in polonez's dms and then you and him are gonna horrifically misinterpret every fucking thing i said, and hes gonna cherrypick shit going "HE HATES ME CUZ POLONEZ BAD!!!!!!! NOT CAUSE OF ACTUAL THINGS I DID!!!"

[[User:D9eoead|D9eoead]] ([[User talk:D9eoead|talk]]) 03:48, 8 June 2025 (EDT)

== re: counter arguments ==

<blockquote>"but he does gay stuff!!!" // gender no longer matters to him</blockquote>
sexual gratification.. from a boy.. as someone straight.. makes total sense, huh..
<blockquote>something that gives him more attention</blockquote>
i don't think someone as shitty as you describe would do that (joining the lgbtq+ vibe game) knowing they're going to see a whole bunch of queer and trans shit.
<blockquote>''[how he's different from me]'' is a sign he hasn't changed.</blockquote>
just because he kept certain traits from his past doesn't mean he's as shitty as he was in his past. he is still a distinct person because of these traits, in fact.
<blockquote>he changed too fast, so the change can't be real!</blockquote>
he made tsg partly because he wanted to come out as a bisexual furry. knowing his rep is as shitty as it was, no wonder he hid behind a persona until he gained enough courage to express himself.
<blockquote>intentionally makes typos, constantly uses furry emoticons</blockquote>
these are completely normal symptoms of mirroring. i started using "whar" because of fernsy, even, and i don't interact with her a quarter as often. no wonder he would pick up on intentional typos faster than that happened!
<blockquote>you can tell polonez is a bad influence</blockquote>
the idea was not completely his. i would say more but i'm worried that some lurker might start spamming it all across owot

--[[User:&#45;lime.owotwiki|&#45;lime.owotwiki]] ([[User talk:&#45;lime.owotwiki|talk]]) 05:19, 8 June 2025 (EDT)